Bloomberg Interview with Trump Full Text (Part 2): Tax Cuts, Energy, and Emerging Cryptocurrencies

Authors: Nancy, Joshua, Mario, Brad, Gregory Korte, Bloomberg Businessweek
Translation: DeThings

Note: On June 25, two days before the first presidential debate of 2024 and about two weeks before an attempted assassination, Bloomberg Businessweek interviewed former U.S. President Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida. In a discussion focused on business and the global economy, Trump talked about the Federal Reserve, inflation, tax cuts, tariffs, Taiwan, and his relationships with CEOs. The interview was conducted by Bloomberg senior reporters Nancy Cook and Joshua Green, executive editor Mario Parker, and Businessweek editor Brad Stone. The following is a transcript of the conversation, slightly edited for clarity, with several fact-checks annotated by Gregory Korte. This is the second part, following the first part.

15. The last question is about CEOs. The New York Times just published an article stating that no CEO from the Fortune 100 supports you. Why do you think that is?

Well, that's a fake article. First, I’m not seeking their support; second, they’re all calling, they all want to support me. If you understand politics, whoever leads gets all the support they want. Even if my personality is like a shrimp, everyone would come. Everyone in the room. I set up meetings… to some extent, it's difficult. They all want to meet. But there are many people who support me. If you look at the list now, many of them you don’t know because they’ve put them into a PAC you don’t know about.

I mean, you really don’t know. And it’s hard to find out. People haven’t discovered it, which is amazing. But you know, they have a PAC, and you can give someone $100 million or $50 million. But we have a lot of support from businesses. But there are two things I don’t seek. I don’t care. First, if I seek help, it means you’re helping them. I don’t want to do that. Because I want to do… I got the pipeline and large facilities approved. The LNG plant in Louisiana. I could have gone to those plants and said, "Hey, I’ll get it approved, la la la." I don’t do that. I get it approved. I don’t know who owns it, and I don’t care. Two years later, people come to me. "I own the company that built that pipeline, sir, you approved it." That’s great, we’re off to the races, you know. Remember the Dakota Access Pipeline? I approved it. I didn’t call the company and say, "Hey, I’m going to give you the biggest." They built everything except, due to the river, the Indian River, it couldn’t connect 100 yards. I approved it.

So if we understand you correctly, then support is private?

The point is not about me. Right now I’m leading in the polls, if you’ve seen Rasmussen, I’m ahead by 10 points, which is a lot. The best poll is Rasmussen, have you done polling? Yes, a little, right?

Yes, we do swing state polling.

How am I doing in your polling?

Typically, you’re always ahead, but by a few points. You know, the gap is still quite large.

Jason Miller: You like them now.

Trump: Actually, I think the polls show our support is much higher than average. The Rasmussen poll shows our support at 10.9, and if you add Kennedy and those people, I think it’s 10, actually I’m slightly higher. It looks more even, but if they all run, our support will go up a little bit. I think that should be right. You know, I’m not sure if that’s correct. His support is close. Cornell West’s support is not close------Cornell West and Jill Stein, I like them as politicians. They are my favorite politicians.

In some speeches, you swore to take "revenge" on those Democrats and government officials you believe have wronged you.

Did I swear?

Bloomberg Businessweek staff: You did.

When was that?

I believe at rallies and speeches.

I don’t know if I swore.

We’ll check again. But you also attacked companies------

I actually swore revenge------I actually said, "Success is my revenge."

16. My question is, you have also attacked companies like Amazon and its CEO Jeff Bezos. I wonder if the desire for revenge extends to companies and executives as well?

I think the Washington Post is indeed unfair. I often attack the Washington Post. It has clearly had an impact. They lost half their readership. But I think, you know, I think he has done great harm to himself. So I think the Washington Post is unfair, you know, it’s bad. Now, he’s a very wealthy man, but no one wants to lose $150 million a year, that’s a real loss. Losing that much money, you know, and making enemies because you will…

I think the Washington Post had a chance to do something great, but they’ve turned into a poorly functioning political machine that might close down. Even wealthy people won’t spend that much to keep it running. But no, I wouldn’t take revenge on anyone.

Sir, let’s discuss a few technical issues. I come from Silicon Valley and have been reporting on tech news for years.

You saw my little------I heard that podcast did extraordinarily well.

All-In podcast. Yes, I’ve heard it.

That seems like a big deal. Did you all hear it?

Group: Yes.

We all listened.

So let’s start with the big tech companies. Your first administration initiated some of the first lawsuits against companies like Facebook and Google. The Biden administration may be even more aggressive. You know, the FTC chair is unpopular. The DOJ’s antitrust division in Silicon Valley is too. Will you continue to expand and go after big tech companies? Do you think these companies are too powerful?

I think they have a huge negative impact on young people. I think they’ve become too big, too powerful. They control our elections. You saw what happened in the elections, they control our elections. We can’t have that. I have a lot of respect for them. You know, if you look at it, TikTok is very powerful.

When you said TikTok should be banned, Mario was on the plane. What made you change your mind?

Well, I didn’t say it should be banned. I just said, I’ll give you a choice. You tell me what you want to do------go to Congress. Remember?

Forced sale…

They can’t get it together.

I said, "I’ll do it anyway." But now I think about it, I support TikTok because you need competition. If you don’t have TikTok, you have Facebook and Instagram, that’s Zuckerberg------he would come to the White House often and be very nice to me. But then he took my big account------you know, he would come over and say you have more "followers." Congratulations, you’re number one. And I really was. I was number one. I think, with Instagram, when you add all that up, suddenly I went from number one to being ignored. In fact, I did old-fashioned press releases, and they were very popular. They were real press releases. Then I did Truth (Social, Trump’s social media company), and it really became very strong. You know, I don’t use anything else.

Okay, so you changed your mind about TikTok. But I think I interrupted your first answer about whether you would push a tough antitrust agenda against big tech companies.

It’s a very complex situation. At some point, you want them to be strong because you don’t want other countries to have that power. I only care about this country. I’m America First. I only care about this country. So I don’t want to hurt those companies. But I also don’t want them to destroy our young people. When you see what they’re doing, you’ll know. Including suicides------you know, a lot of bad things come with it. But basically, there will be big companies, and I want our companies to be big and strong.

If you pursue them very aggressively, you can destroy them. I don’t want to destroy them. I want them to thrive. But I don’t want them to influence elections. I don’t want them to destroy kids when there are child suicides happening all over the country, which has been happening. So, that’s a line. But no, I want our tech companies to thrive.

My uncle was at MIT. I love technology. You know, I believe my uncle was the longest-serving professor in MIT history. You know?

I think it was 41 years. In fact, MIT sent someone over to show me a book about my uncle, Dr. John Trump. Yes, he was quite an excellent student, to say the least. My father used to complain about it. He said, "I have to get your uncle to finish school!" My father was a bit older. He said, "He’s been working hard to get another degree!" But he was really smart, like top-tier. When he graduated from MIT------got a lot of degrees------they said, "Why don’t you stay and be a professor?" He stayed there for 41 years. But they sent me a book about my uncle; he’s a legend at MIT. So I love that stuff.

I want to ask about cryptocurrency? (interrupted)

Jason Miller: Brad, you know, we have 50 minutes left. So we have time for a question or two more.

Trump: No, give him a little more time.

Thank you, President Trump.

Trump: And when I get killed, I will definitely get killed, and when I get killed, I will blame Jason.

Miller: Perfect.

Trump: But he’s great.

Cryptocurrency------I remember you once said that cryptocurrency is a "fraud" and "a disaster waiting to happen." By the way, you were right. Disasters and fraud have happened.

Trump: I’ve always been right.

But recently, you’ve started to embrace the community. You said it should be made in America. So tell me why you changed your mind.

Because the answer is very similar. If we don’t do it, China will take it, China will own it------or someone else, but most likely China. China is very interested in this. And it’s not going away. It’s amazing. I’ve met a lot of people------like at the conference in San Francisco ------Trump’s fundraising event on June 6. I went to San Francisco and met a lot of people------these people really think this is becoming an industry.

Now, if I put it aside, it will be accepted by another country, most likely China------they are quite advanced in this field. So you have to look at it------what I want, once again, is what’s beneficial for the country. If we don’t do this… Another thing is, I did things like NFTs. I noticed that 80% of the money was paid in cryptocurrency. That’s incredible. So, NFTs were very successful. We had a year to sell, but it sold out in a day. Sold out completely: 45,000 cards. I did it three times, and I’m going to do it again because people want me to do it again. The spirit is incredible. It’s beautiful. But what I really noticed is that all the funds were paid------I want to say almost all the funds were paid in cryptocurrency, this new currency.

That opened my eyes. So we have a good foundation. It’s still a baby. It’s still in its infancy. But I don’t want to be responsible for letting another country take over this space. So I think we will do well. Plus, I’ve met insiders, and they are all top-notch people. If you ask Jamie Dimon, Jamie Dimon used to be very negative, and now suddenly his attitude has changed a bit.

I want to ask you about the EU and tariffs. "Repeating" the EU and tariffs------the idea of a global minimum 10% tariff.

They are very unfair to us.

Are you referring to the 10% they charge us?

No, you just said the 10% charged to other countries, globally------

Because what they charge us is far more than 10%.

So------you’ve talked about using tariffs as a negotiating tool------would you give certain countries "friends and family discounts"?

Sure, the EU sounds lovely. It’s a great group. Many of us come from there. You know, we love Scotland and Germany. We love all those places. But once you cross that line, they are very rough on us. They don’t take our cars. We take millions of their cars. They don’t take our agricultural products. Very little. We take their agricultural products. They take almost nothing. Our trade deficit with them is far more than $200 billion.

Now with China, when I was there, when I first came, the deficit was close to $600 billion. If it weren’t for COVID, by the end of my first term, my deficit would have been down to zero. We would have been net neutral with China. But COVID came, and we had to, we had to save this country. We also had to buy things from China because, you know, they produce everything we don’t have. Our cabinets were bare. But no, I think the EU is brutal, and other countries are the same. Japan is brutal. I made a new deal with Shinzo Abe. If I didn’t like Abe so much, I think he’s great. His fate is so sad. He’s a very good friend of mine. But we renegotiated a trade deal with Abe. But Japan is rough on us, and still is.

You know, we charge, so they bring in cars by the millions. You see how many cars come into Japan? I said, "Shinzo Abe, I don’t see any Chevrolets here. I don’t see any Chevrolets. Where are the Chevrolets?" But I see a lot of Toyotas and all kinds of other brands. Germany is the same. I said to Angela Merkel, "Angela, how many Fords or Chevrolets are there in downtown Munich?"

(Trump mimics a German accent) "Oh, I don’t believe there are many."

No? How many Mercedes, BMWs, and Volkswagens do we have?

No, they are very unfair to us, but I am changing all that and that culture, I am changing it.

But the EU------you know, no one would think that. It’s like China. When I first started going------I love China------they were right about everything. I made people aware of that. I have a lot of respect for China. I have a lot of respect for President Xi. I know him well. I like him. He’s a strong person, but I like him. I wish he would write it out, to be honest, because, you know, people don’t know. He might not know either. But I know. I respect him.

But no one knows how seriously they (Europe) have exploited us. We built their military with the money they took from us. Everything is changing. Changes are happening fast. It’s surprising that this anti-tariff person came in, and he basically canceled most of the tariffs I imposed.

You know why? Because the money is so amazing that they can’t imagine how everything would work without them.

17. Mr. President, you are particularly active in seeking support from Black voters in this election cycle and are heavily promoting economic policies. What specific economic measures are you considering for Black and minority voters?

The greatest initiative? Okay, I did criminal justice reform, which is great. They are very aware of that. I implemented Opportunity Zones, and I believe it’s the most successful economic development program ever------mainly aimed at Black people, but also including others. It has never been written about. No one wants to talk about it because it’s so successful. "It failed," that’s how they talk about it. That was done with Tim Scott, who is a senator from South Carolina and a great guy.

I saved historically Black colleges and universities. They were completely bankrupt. I got them long-term funding, and now they are doing well. Those people love me. I’ve done a lot for those people------that’s economic development.

But what I want to do is the most important thing. You can combine these three elements with many others. By the way, criminal justice reform is a big deal. They’ve been pursuing this goal for 40 years. People have been treated------and it has worked there. You know, it’s incarceration. 90% of the beneficiaries are Black. I think that’s one of the reasons for my success.

You know, when I was in Georgia, you saw that girl------a beautiful Black girl, we walked into a restaurant, and for security reasons, we couldn’t say where we were going in advance. In other words, no one knew. I opened the door and walked in, and there were 45 people working, all Black. It was a fast-food restaurant. This Black girl was smart and beautiful: "Donald Trump, I love you! I love you!" She didn’t know I was coming. You even saw her on TV. We now ask her, would you come------because she was so real. She was incredible. "I love you. You saved me. My college was about to close"------she went to a college I saved when I was funding them because they were all going bankrupt. The heads of all these colleges and universities were almost leaving. I saved those pictures.

Anyway, she said, "You saved me! You saved me!" She loved that college. She went to a college in Atlanta I had never heard of. She loved that college. I said, "Do you like that college?" She replied, "That’s the best college." I mean, it was really nice to see that college because, frankly, I was a bit surprised. It was really nice to see that college. But her personality was so vibrant. She hugged me, kissed me, did everything. I said, "I hope you get this on camera!"

To be fair, I did say that. But people could see it. But I want to make the biggest effort because millions of immigrants pouring into America will hit Black people hard. There will never be such a hit; they are already feeling it. Their wages have dropped significantly. Their jobs have been taken by illegal immigrants.

I said: Black people are first, Hispanics are second. You know who else? Unions. Unions are getting hit hard. They are letting those people------you know, you see. A person can be loyal to a union because I have unions in New York. I get along with them very well. I’ve dealt with the truck drivers’ union, and I get along with them very well. But you know, at a certain point, you’re willing to pay more. Then suddenly, now you’re paying three times, four times, five times, six times more. You know, you can find some building managers, and you can hire them for 20%, 15% commission. Unions don’t have a chance. Biden did it. Biden did it. But worse than anyone else, the Black population in this country will suffer because of what’s happening------what will happen to their jobs------their jobs, their housing, everything! They take everything away. Do you see that 100% of the people Biden hires are Black? I mean, 100% are immigrants, and Black people are affected the most. Almost------not 100%, but almost, but absolutely the most. I want to stop this. This is the best thing.

A few days ago, someone asked me this question. They said, "What will you do for Black people?" I said, "I will stop 20 million people from coming into this country, and their wages will be a third of what they are now." They all lost their jobs. That’s not even the worst of it, but it will be. Do you think that makes sense?

It’s a terrible thing; they are affected more than anyone else. They know I don’t want this to happen. They know because many of them are already unemployed. They know I don’t want this to happen, and Biden does want this to happen.

18. Regarding immigration, America is short on workers. Given that you want to limit immigration, how will you ensure that farms, poultry processing plants, and construction sites have enough workers to do the jobs that Americans typically do not want to do?

Because I want them to come in. I want a lot of people to come in, but they must come in legally. I don’t want them coming from prisons. I don’t want them coming from mental hospitals and asylums. You know, you’ve heard my speeches, so I think I don’t need to do this------but the crime rate in Venezuela is just a small part of what they take------almost every country is like this unless they are ruled by stupid people. If you look at Honduras and all those places, they take all the criminals and then throw them into this country. The criminals are right next to you. This is a huge problem. Venezuela crime, I said to business leaders, "Next year, if you don’t mind, we’re going to Venezuela for a conference, a roundtable." Oh, why? Because there’s no crime. Because they sent all the criminals to our country. So we’re going to------I strongly recommend a roundtable in Venezuela.

19. I want to ask you about the housing market because housing is a huge expense for people. Mortgage rates are so high, and there’s currently a severe housing supply issue. What are your plans to make housing more affordable for people?

That’s a very good question. Today, in certain areas, let’s say, a lot of crazy places, 50% of the housing cost is environmental costs, bookkeeping costs, and all these restrictions. Building permits. Huge "restrictions" 1. Moreover, they require you to build houses of lower quality, and the prices are much higher. They require you to use materials that are much worse than others. And other materials, I mean, you’re talking about cutting your permits in half. Your permits, your permitting process. Your zoning, I’ve gone through zoning for years. Zoning is like…… it’s brutal. But we will do this; we will lower housing prices.

Now the biggest problem with housing is your interest rates going from 2.5% to 10%. You can’t get the money. So, you know, I don’t know if you can stay at 10 because if you can’t get the money, it means the rates will be higher. But people can’t get financing to buy homes.

I’m curious, when was the last time you spoke with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed (I have to read his name) Mohammed bin Salman Al Saud?

It’s been a long time, but my relationship is good. You know, I did something that wasn’t publicized, but it was a great thing. My first stop was Saudi Arabia.

It’s different because in almost all cases, you (the U.S. President) go to the UK. I was ready to go to the UK. Mohammed called me and said, "I’d love to have you come here."

I said, "If I do this, I will break a very long-standing tradition." I just didn’t say it. He said, "No, we want you to come first." Because I know him well; he’s a great guy. I think he’s doing a great job. He said, "I want you to come."

I said, "Listen, this is what I’m going to do. I’ll come, but I want you to give American companies $450 billion." Do you remember that?

Yes.

$450 billion. He said, "Well, I never thought of that." And I said, "I’ll go with these companies." And then I went. He gave $450 billion. I’ve never seen anything like it because when the money went out, I was sitting there.

They negotiated for weeks because I agreed to go three months later. I was sitting there watching Raytheon and all these companies------they called the chairman of Raytheon. In all cases, they are the chairman or president------whoever is the boss of the company------they would sit in an incredible banquet hall, the ceiling looks like this [Trump points to the gilded ceiling] ------actually, this looks better. Anyway. But this very large banquet hall. I think you reported on it. I think you wrote about it.

Yes, there were a lot of reporters there.

In terms of media coverage, I got very little coverage, but it was an amazing event. In three hours, they handed out $450 billion worth of contracts, including funding from Wall Street. They gave that money to different companies on Wall Street. It was a great event.

How do you navigate……

It should be reported. Don’t you think? I mean, $450 billion. They went to Boeing, bought planes, bought hundreds of planes, bought fighter jets, everything. Go ahead.

I just want to ask you, given that they want to dominate the energy sector, but you really want to open up more energy exploration in the U.S., how will you handle that relationship?

He likes me, and I like him. They always need protection. They won’t------they are not naturally protected. They always need protection, and I will always protect them. I have a good relationship with him.

Have you spoken to him in the last six months?

Yes. A little. I have a good relationship with him. He came to this country.

How often do you talk to him?

His uncle was supposed to come. But he came as a son------and very young. I think he’s about 32 years old. We hit it off, and we felt very------I said to his father, "You know, there’s a great guy here who will one day rule this kingdom." He impressed us. Very, very strong, handsome, loves his country, has good feelings towards America. I would call the king------

You know, when I flew to Saudi Arabia, the king greeted me on the runway, and it was 120 degrees. He said------so I can’t imagine he never greeted Obama, never greeted anyone. They brought him to Obama, and they said he shook hands, and that was it. He stood on the runway waiting for me------the temperature was 120 degrees------they told me, "Sir, we don’t know, but we can’t imagine he would be there because it’s too hot, you know, record 120 degrees1 ……" Even for Saudi Arabia, that’s a lot. He greeted me; he’s great. You can’t get him to act in a movie. No one can play his role. Good guy.

Mohammed is the same; he’s now the Crown Prince, now the Prime Minister, and will be the king. He will be a great king. So I like him.

So they, they live in a very tough environment. But Obama, Obama hurt us, and Biden really hurt us. They are no longer with us. They are with China. But they don’t want to be with China. They want to be with us.

We are in the lightning round---the final stage of the lightning round. (responding to Miller)

Jason Miller: Awesome. Thank you.

Trump: I protected them very much during my term. Many missiles were launched into their region, and we shot down every one. We destroyed everything.

20. Mr. President, we will end the discussion here. Just from an election perspective, Joe Biden has released a new ad calling you a "convicted criminal fighting for himself" and implying that the conviction will be a core focus of his campaign in the final stages. How will you defend yourself to voters? How will you prove this?

So, I think it’s simple. First, I didn’t do anything wrong. The system in New York is twisted, 100% twisted. You see the trial going on in Florida------this is all initiated by Biden. This is against his political opponent. That’s why my assessment of him is different from that of another president who performed just as poorly. He’s a criminal. His son is a convicted felon. I didn’t do anything wrong; it’s just that our judges are twisted, 100% twisted. They issued a gag order against me. They moved their people from, as you know, from the Justice Department to the local prosecutor’s office, and then to the Attorney General’s office, and so on. This is all they did. This is called election interference. I think they will pay a huge price. So

We’ve raised more money in the last two weeks than any campaign has raised, hundreds of millions. Most of it is small "donations." Answering your question about executives (why Fortune 100 CEOs haven’t donated), I don’t need to. Because I can get $71. That’s an average of $71 (referring to the average donation to Trump’s campaign). Hundreds of millions. Did you see that? Since the moment this unjust decision was made, we’ve received $58 million?

This is not a crime------you know, there’s no crime. Every scholar, including the scholars who write to you, says this is not a crime. The whole thing. This is not a crime. From the moment the decision was made to that night, we received $58 million in small donations. You know, we are now leading him in fundraising. No Republican has ever led before. I’m ahead of him. And most of the funding has come in the last few weeks.

Based on this reasoning, considering the large amount of condemnation you have received, if you return to office, would you consider pardoning yourself?

No, I don’t need to. I can pardon myself before I leave.

But future charges are still pending.

I wouldn’t consider it.

You wouldn’t.

You don’t need it. We will win unless this system is so corrupt------and we are winning. We are winning. You look at what’s happening now. You understand what’s happening. We are winning. I think the appellate court will handle------otherwise, you wouldn’t have a judicial system because it’s very corrupt.

But remember this: he is a very high-level felon. But they say he is not competent to defend himself. That’s what he says.

Who are we talking about?

Talking about his "Biden’s documents." Because I am protected by the Presidential Records Act. But he isn’t. He was a vice president and a senator. He recorded some things as a senator, 50 years’ worth!1 The special prosecutor, the special prosecutor from the Justice Department says he’s guilty. But he’s crazy; he’s incompetent. Basically, they say he’s incompetent; he can’t stand trial. So we won’t formally charge him. But then I said, oh, this is interesting. So they won’t charge him. He’s incompetent. You know, they say------when he says he’s innocent, the prosecutor says, "I didn’t say he’s innocent. He’s guilty. But we think we can’t charge him because he’s incompetent."

Then they say, "But he can be president." Think about it. So he can’t stand trial because he’s incompetent. But the second------keep going------but he can be president. So this will come up. When they use this to attack us, they know it’s a very dangerous topic------but he’s basically been convicted, and his son has been convicted; his son is a felon. I didn’t do anything wrong. I’ll give you an example; they talked to me about bookkeeping and records. I paid legal fees------I call them legal fees; I didn’t call them building fees------you know, I’m talking about legal fees; I wrote it down------this line is big: legal. You don’t need to write down every piece of history in your life. We wrote "legal fees," and it’s legal fees paid to lawyers.

I know we’re wrapping up. I want to ask, looking back, what is the most important thing you learned during your presidency?

You need great people. When I came to Washington, I didn’t know anyone in Washington. I rarely came here. I rarely came here. According to fake news, I’ve been here 17 times. I’ve been here 17 times, but never stayed overnight. Most of the time, it was to see------but I never stayed overnight. So you have to have great people. I didn’t know anyone in Washington, so I relied on others. They gave me some great people. I mean, I think Bob Lighthizer (former U.S. Trade Representative) is outstanding. I bet you like Lighthizer, right? Most people like him. Do you like him?

Group: I don’t know him.

He’s in charge of trade. Did a good job. We had a lot of great talent. I rebuilt the military. The biggest tax cuts, the biggest deregulation------you know, I had a lot of great talent that got environmental work done, like the LNG plant that had been stalled for 14 years. I got it done almost immediately. We have great talent, but there are some people I wouldn’t choose again. Now, I know everyone. Now, I’m really experienced.

21. Mr. President, we know loyalty is very important to you. Do people’s views on January 6 serve as a litmus test for you? Should you win in November and start forming your government?

You mean from my perspective? No, I don’t think so. If someone really believes what they say. But most people don’t believe. Most people don’t believe.

A few days ago, Nancy Pelosi admitted it was her responsibility. You know, that’s a big deal. It didn’t get the coverage it deserved. But she admitted it on tape to her daughter------I don’t know how they got that tape; it’s a great tape------she said, "This is my responsibility." She said, on the day of the Capitol attack, they must have a tape, you know? What did she say?

The J-Sixth rioter committee------I call it a non-special committee. They call it a special committee; I call it a non-special committee, made up of all Democrats and two pathological Republicans, Liz Cheney and Adam "crying" Kinzinger. Every time you talk to him, he cries. He broke down and cried. By the way, these two guys are worse than any Democrat. She was defeated in Congress. All the people who impeached me were defeated in Congress. One of them, I let it stay there because, you know, we are Democrats.

So to say one last thing: No, I think what happened is terrible because the non-special committee destroyed and deleted every document because they found we were innocent; they destroyed it. You know they deleted everything. They issued a notice, "We decided to delete it"------just because they found all the stories, like I attacked the Secret Service agents in the front seat of the car. One person is a judo black belt, and the other is a weightlifter who can lift very heavy weights, just like you. In fact, one of my friends said, let this story go on; it’s the coolest story I’ve ever heard.

But, you know, it’s all made up. It’s all fictional. They found this out, you know, the Secret Service testified------they’re great------the Secret Service testified, and they said this story is nonsense. They deleted everything. I think they have problems. I think they have problems. But no, I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t use this as a litmus test. By the way, I’ve heard that before, but I wouldn’t.

22. Last question. People talk about Bidenomics. Please leave us with a few words to describe Trump economics.

Low interest rates and low taxes, low taxes, huge incentives, to bring businesses back to our country. If you have to use tariffs and other economic means to do that, that’s fine.

We have to do to other countries what they have done to us for 50 years, 100 years. We have to bring businesses back to our country.

Thank you, sir. Thank you, Mr. President.